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Carol Noel, BNY MellonBy Cathie Ericson

As important as hard work is, success is built on your relationships, says Carol Noel, senior portfolio manager and team leader for BNY Mellon Wealth Management. “The skill set you needed in the beginning of your career is not the skill set that will drive you forward. In the early part you focus on hard work, and while that’s important to provide access and recognition, you have to constantly ask for feedback, course correct and build out relationships in order to move to higher levels,” she says.

Making a Difference in Private Wealth Management

After earning her bachelor’s degree from Cornell University and her master of business administration from Georgetown University, Noel worked at Bankers Trust Company for five years, and then joined BNY Mellon’s rotational leadership development program. From the beginning, she was part of private wealth management, a group that focuses on client relationships to help high-net-worth families achieve their financial goals.

Noel’s career epitomizes longevity: She has been with the group for 18 years and now leads a team of 13 professionals.Over the years, she has mastered all aspects of the business, from managing portfolios and researching stocks to managing people, executing business plans and guiding important client relationships.

She is particularly proud that her team earned recognition from BNY Mellon’s corporate leadership, which welcomed the group into the prestigious Chairman’s Circle in 2014 as the top revenue team. “Our successes represent a team effort of doing well for both our clients and the firm,” Noel says. “I work with an amazing group of people who care as deeply about the clients as I do, and we appreciated the recognition for our collective success,” she adds. “It was a nice topper to our efforts.”

The team continues to explore new ways to grow the business, including reaching out to new client segments where they have expertise. One such area is in supporting endowments, where they are working to provide services around philanthropic endeavors.

Over the years, she has watched the wealth management industry change dramatically, with clients seeking a more holistic approach to their wealth planning. Clients today expect more than just investment performance: They might be seeking advice on how to handle the long-term care of a grandparent or to provide for a child with autism. Approaching them with a 360-degree view of their financial and family situation allows her team to provide better solutions.

Building Your Career Involves Others

Noel has found that women will often believe it’s their responsibility to fix any problem on their desk. But that’s not the case, she says, underscoring that having the right team to resolve an issue is just as good as doing it yourself. “Bring together the right people to share the challenges that have to be met” she says, adding that a robust network should include people in your department as well as in others, and should cross cultural, gender and hierarchical lines.

She also advises women to start off by differentiating themselves from the pack. “There are lots of talented people, but you have to show that you can be successful, whether that’s meeting financial goals or working collaboratively with internal partners.” She says that if you take accountability for managing your career, you’ll go farther by being intentional and strategic.

“It’s not offensive behavior to be offensive about your career,” she says, even though that might seem contrary to what many girls learned growing up. “Having and executing a plan is vital to moving ahead. It’s not a negative thing to say you want a certain role and go for it. Have coffee, ask colleagues for an informational interview.”

And while she believes that women should help each other, she sees value in having both men and women as sponsors. “The diverse background in your network will help you get where you want to be.”

To that end, Noel is active in Impact, a multicultural Employee Resource Group where she’s a mentor and also participates in the Women’s Initiative Network (WIN). In addition, she has piloted a leadership development program designed to encourage people with diverse backgrounds to seek senior leadership.

“The firm is a strong supporter of building up good people internally, as much as hiring externally. They’ll look anywhere for the best people.”

A CFA charter holder, she also stays active in professional groups, including the New York Society of Security Analysts and the CFA Institute.

A Balanced Life

Noel finds her quest for a balanced life is getting easier as her two kids get older. She and her husband enjoy traveling as a family and her children “are enjoying the ride now too,” she says.

Equally important to that balance is giving back, and Noel is a member of the finance committee for the Havens Relief Fund Society, a foundation that provides one-time grants to help struggling families overcome imminent financial crises.

“I do what I love, and I never run away from a challenge. “

Josephine Shin“Never lose your initial curiosity to learn,” advises Josephine Shin. “Stay engaged, and get outside of your comfort zone because that’s when you learn.”

Shin’s curiosity is what led her to a somewhat alternative path in the finance industry. At the University of Pennsylvania she pursued a Bachelor of Arts degree in Women’s Studies and Sociology, rather than the finance degree that was so prevalent.

But then upon graduation, she found herself surrounded by people asking how she was going to parlay that course of study into a career.

“There were doubts from peers about my choices, but I think it was the best path I could have taken. I got to spend those four years studying something of interest, communicating and formulating my own views even if they were out of consensus, being challenged by others and at the same time staying open to new ideas. Now I am putting those skillsets to work every day professionally and pursuing a profession that I truly enjoy. Shin said. She believes that spending those early years questioning and debating with an open mind allows her to bring a different perspective and to find value in places that may be overlooked.

With an interest in both quantitative and qualitative aspects, Shin joined an investment management company as a fixed income credit analyst. She describes it as an intense time to jump in as everyone was dealing with the effects of the “tech bubble” and 9/11, but a time where she learned valuable skills especially because bottoms-up fundamental analysis of credit was in such high demand. Though the firm she was working for was one where most people tended to stay “for life,” she yearned to be in the heart of New York and, ultimately, moved to work for another firm in a more senior role.

After several years, Shin went to work with a former colleague, but a year later, Lehman Brothers imploded and a majority of her team was dismantled within two weeks. That experience had a profound effect on her. “My comfort zone was shaken. That made me realize that I had gotten too comfortable and started to identify myself with where I work and what I do professionally,” she said. “That’s when I realized that I love what I do but that shouldn’t define who I am,” a lesson that has helped her throughout her career and personal life.

At that point, she decided to return to her roots in investment management and joined Alcentra, part of BNY Mellon, where she’s been for more than six years.

Paving Her Own Path

Shin says the career achievement she’s proudest of is her overall resilience in the face of naysayers and forging her own path even if it meant not following the most conventional options. From the major she pursued, to her desire to move from a comfortable job to New York, she has questioned taking at face value what the majority told her was “the right thing,” in favor of what was the right thing for her. “I listened to myself, and then spoke up to negotiate what I wanted.”

And throughout her career, she has appreciated the path she chose. “I’m in the perfect job for me; you have to be quick and nimble to act, yet have a strong fundamental view because every day there is something new about companies that I’m investing in.” She relishes her new role of portfolio management and the global platform the firm offers because it gives her a strong vantage point to integrate micro and macro data into innovative ideas for her clients.

Shin naturally gravitates toward mentors who share her affinity for making their voice heard, and her professional role models embody that quality at the highest level. She says, “If you find a mentor or sponsor in your workplace who takes time to give you honest feedback on how you can continue to grow in your career without plateauing, appreciate that gift because it is rare. It’s how we grow. Also, stay humble and ask for honest feedback. I have that in my current job and it’s been hugely inspirational for me.”

One of Shin’s early influences is Betty Friedan, whose work helped shape her belief in the importance of challenging the consensus view. “To be an outperformer in this business, it’s vital to have your own voice and thoughts,” Shin said.

She also named Judith Rodin, the first women president of an Ivy League university. Rodin was president while Shin attended Penn. “She is an inspiration to me because she not only relishes in her success, but does not shy away from mistakes or moments of failure in her career and life. I respect that humble dichotomy. She’s a great role model.”

Building Bonds

Shin has been involved in WIN (Women’s Initiative Network), a resource for the professional development and advancement of women at BNY Mellon. She also participates in the Penn Alumnae Women’s group. Her participation with both organizations underscores her belief in the importance of continuing to cultivate a robust network. She has experienced firsthand how the industry can change fast and that it’s vital to have a network already set up.

At the same time, she is cognizant of the fact that when you are employed, it’s compassionate to take a moment to help out others since you never know when you will need support. She especially believes in giving opportunities to women who might not have cookie cutter backgrounds, because they bring a different perspective that can enhance any organization or team.

Shin says she is grateful for her family’s support system. Naming her husband as her biggest supporter, she is also very close to her brother, mother and extended family. On the home front, Shin has a two-and-a-half year old daughter, whom she says is not only the apple of her eye, but makes her a more compassionate and well-rounded person. “I used to take for granted those days I could work into the wee hours at night, but now I have a better understanding of other working mothers. On the other hand, my efficiency has become incredible.”

By Cathie Ericson

By Cathie EricsonLarry Hughes

Larry Hughes “gets it” for many reasons: he knows what it’s like to come from a “diverse” background, since he himself comes from a blue-collar upbringing – not what one might expect from the CEO of a wealth management business. Additionally, he has an ambitious 29-year-old daughter who is much like the up-and-coming women he works with around the globe. But most of all, he “gets it” because a diverse and inclusive workforce makes good business sense.

Hughes has been at BNY Mellon Wealth Management for almost 24 years, holding eight different roles over the years.

And throughout his tenure he has actively championed the business case for diversity. As committee chair of BNY Mellon’s Wealth Management diversity and inclusion committee, he saw the diversity agenda as more than just gender, race, age or religion – he believes it also encompasses social status diversity, a viewpoint he holds due to his background growing up in inner city Boston. The son of a truck driver father and waitress mother, Hughes knows what it’s like to forge his own path. He has held a job every day of his life since he was 10, including working his way through college and his MBA program.

“I value people who are self-made and come from all walks of life; in fact, I consider it an advantage that I didn’t have a privileged upbringing. I had the opportunity to learn so much working my way through school, earning practical expertise that some others may not have.”

Championing Women Formally and Informally

Although he holds an inclusive view of diversity and inclusion, Hughes nonetheless has been a tireless advocate specifically for women’s advancement across the enterprise. He is a keen supporter of a variety of development programs that cover mentoring, rotational development, engagement, internships, career development and career advancement training through an initiative called “Career Talk,” where business leads hold national conference calls that address a wide range of topics focused on skills and capabilities development.

Hughes has mentored talented women over the years both through formal programs and also through informal interactions. “Just today I met with a Wealth Management colleague who worked her way up in the organization from when I hired her as an analyst years ago. I have taken an interest in her development and offer advice whenever I can,” he says. He stresses that each mentorship opportunity teaches him as well.

In fact, that is the goal behind the firm’s Reverse Mentoring program, where he recently spent a day experiencing the challenges of an associate level employee whom he recently spent the day shadowing.

He also holds periodic lunches with a group of a dozen or so relatively entry to mid-level employees, including many women, where he offers career advice, similar to that which he has given his own daughter over the years. “It’s common-sense advice, but, people love it when I share.”

Among the tips are: “Do anything it takes to get the job done; don’t let ego get in the way; working hard still matters – work a little harder than anyone else; and try to understand other people’s objectives and find common ground.”

“One of the most rewarding parts of my job is spending time with employees who are at an early stage in their career, and are so energizing and enthusiastic in a different way than others.”

He also has been a strong advocate for flexible work arrangements. “I am always considering how we can accommodate employees and provide for an inclusive environment,” he says, noting that the issue is important for both men and women, and extends beyond child care to other family care and any case where flexibility might be needed. This is particularly important within Hughes’ business, where the competitive Wealth Management landscape keeps him keenly focused on retaining talent.

Looking Past the Surface

Hughes acknowledges that he has many opportunities to act as a sponsor in his role, because he has the luxury and obligation to step out of the day-to-day viewpoint and look at the big picture. In addition to his role as CEO for Wealth Management, he is also the Chairman for BNY Mellon New England and this provides him the opportunity to influence and help set the tone across business lines and into the broader organization.

“My role is to consider factors like ‘What are we trying to achieve?’ ‘Why is it important?’ I can take the more strategic role as I look at promoting the people who will position our business for success.”

Many times that manifests itself as identifying a candidate who might lack one particular skill but offers leadership potential for the future. Hughes then can figure out how the company can provide resources to coach them around the skill they need to develop. And, at an enterprise level, it also manifests itself in the types of programs and initiatives he supports on behalf of BNY Mellon such as diversity forums and external networking events focused on the advancement of women in the workplace.

Leading by Example

Hughes knows that having a diverse team as direct reports is also crucial. The leaders attend a training program on overcoming unconscious bias and being open-minded about candidates and opportunities. He expects his management team to own and drive the diversity and inclusion agenda throughout their businesses in support of a workplace that attracts and retains diverse talent at every level of the enterprise to support clients globally as a great place to work.

“I make sure I have people on my management team who challenge me, every day,” he says, pointing to his own team which, for example, includes a CFO who is a female African American and is also among other senior women on his management team who bring diverse viewpoints and challenge him differently.

As he considers his leadership team, he notes that across all their regions, there are more women leading markets than men. “If we don’t have a strong and capable group of women in key positions, we can’t be successful in the business,” he says. “Promoting diversity will feed on itself, as more senior women and people with diverse backgrounds become mentors to others who can then see the path ahead.”

Hughes seizes the opportunity to consider diverse candidates when considering internal mobility or external hiring. He sees it as his job to challenge his team to think differently. It’s not always about the perceived easy answer; it’s important to take the extra time and extra step to get it right. Hughes knows that thinking long-term on decisions being made today is critical.

He mentions a specific search for a leader for the largest market, the New York region. Though Hughes didn’t have a predetermined outlook, he said he needed to see a diverse set of candidates, which took time. Without this established focus at the start of the recruiting process they may not have found the senior leader whom they ultimately ended up hiring.

“That’s the kind of thinking we have to put into practice, insisting on being able to consider candidates who are women, LGBT or ethnic minorities,” he says.

Part of his role is to explain to employees why diversity and inclusion matters.

Every business is different but wealth management is very diverse,” he says. “Clients want to know the organization they are dealing with is inclusive, and that people like them are welcome and can succeed. There are communities where you need to have people who can fit in and socialize, or you’ll never be able to connect with them. Without diversity, you’ll only be successful in certain niches.”

“People readily grasp social justice, but I need them to understand the diversity business case as well.”

thought-leadershipAccording to Cynthia Steer, Head of Manager Research & Investment Solutions at BNY Mellon, the benefit of a mentoring relationship comes down to learning. “You always learn something from sitting down with someone else,” she explained. “Women are always managing something else – whether it’s your job, your marriage, your family – and there’s always something one can learn about. It’s very simple.”

“I’ve always been a mentor and I’ve always learned more than I gave,” she continued. Steer explained that she quickly figured out the value of cross-generational relationships when she began her career on a team managing foreign exchange rates. “The team was made up of new kids on the block like me and seasoned individuals – and I saw that every perspective was valuable, but the combination was more valuable than the discrete parts.”

“Portfolio management is like fashion in that it always needs to be remade at the edges, with new thinking or new foci, and having multiple generations’ perspectives furthers that.”

She added, “Also, I think it’s vitally important for women like me at this point in my career to stand up in front of the room and be counted. I’m always humbled by the opportunity to do it.”

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